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	<title>Comments on: Mike Daisey on theatrical discourse</title>
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		<title>By: Anon Web Access</title>
		<link>http://theatreisterritory.com/2008/04/mike-daisey-on-theatrical-discourse/comment-page-1/#comment-1783</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon Web Access</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 01:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont browse the net now without a anonymous proxy like http://www.surfshuffle.com, it protects my computer from the nasties on the net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont browse the net now without a anonymous proxy like <a href="http://www.surfshuffle.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.surfshuffle.com</a>, it protects my computer from the nasties on the net</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://theatreisterritory.com/2008/04/mike-daisey-on-theatrical-discourse/comment-page-1/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don't like the word "criticise" ("criticize"?) very much.  mostly because we automatically mix its two meanings when it's used in the context of theatre.  yes, it means pointing out faults or flaws, but it also means expressing a sophisticated and informed judgment.  criticism and words of praise are not mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t like the word &#8220;criticise&#8221; (&#8221;criticize&#8221;?) very much.  mostly because we automatically mix its two meanings when it&#8217;s used in the context of theatre.  yes, it means pointing out faults or flaws, but it also means expressing a sophisticated and informed judgment.  criticism and words of praise are not mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mackenzie</title>
		<link>http://theatreisterritory.com/2008/04/mike-daisey-on-theatrical-discourse/comment-page-1/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anon,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I work on the marketing side of the business. So I can't say I know what it feels like to read a bad review of my performance in a mainstream newspaper. (Theatre critics rarely mention marketing – good or bad – in their reviews!)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is, however, ample opportunity to criticize the work I do at this venue (see comments above).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anon,</p>
<p>I work on the marketing side of the business. So I can&#8217;t say I know what it feels like to read a bad review of my performance in a mainstream newspaper. (Theatre critics rarely mention marketing – good or bad – in their reviews!)</p>
<p>There is, however, ample opportunity to criticize the work I do at this venue (see comments above).</p>
<p>;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mackenzie</title>
		<link>http://theatreisterritory.com/2008/04/mike-daisey-on-theatrical-discourse/comment-page-1/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"How much goodwill has praxis generated through this very blog by being perceived as outward looking and an asset to the community?"&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think the key here is "perception." This blog does not represent a neutral position. I think it's supportive, but It's also critical – that is: it is involved in critical thinking beyond the borders of the company.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Criticism does not equal standing on a soapbox slagging people's work. Critical participation can be simply asking questions. Or participating in discussion. Or putting forward a point of view. These are all things that our community is already doing to some degree.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Harbourfront Centre and The Theatre Centre, for example, recently put on that "What is your relevance?" conference in Toronto – a focused and concerted effort to raise the bar on critical discourse.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So the question is not, "To criticize or not to criticize." The question is "&lt;i&gt;How&lt;/i&gt; do we criticize?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How much goodwill has praxis generated through this very blog by being perceived as outward looking and an asset to the community?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the key here is &#8220;perception.&#8221; This blog does not represent a neutral position. I think it&#8217;s supportive, but It&#8217;s also critical – that is: it is involved in critical thinking beyond the borders of the company.</p>
<p>Criticism does not equal standing on a soapbox slagging people&#8217;s work. Critical participation can be simply asking questions. Or participating in discussion. Or putting forward a point of view. These are all things that our community is already doing to some degree.</p>
<p>Harbourfront Centre and The Theatre Centre, for example, recently put on that &#8220;What is your relevance?&#8221; conference in Toronto – a focused and concerted effort to raise the bar on critical discourse.</p>
<p>So the question is not, &#8220;To criticize or not to criticize.&#8221; The question is &#8220;<i>How</i> do we criticize?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ian! Tell us when your next show is! We'll all come out and criticize your work. Respectfully, of course. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But seriously. At some point, every real artist must learn to depend on his/her own wisdom.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Agreed, Ian, re blogging and democratization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ian! Tell us when your next show is! We&#8217;ll all come out and criticize your work. Respectfully, of course. </p>
<p>But seriously. At some point, every real artist must learn to depend on his/her own wisdom.</p>
<p>Agreed, Ian, re blogging and democratization.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look, i totally agree with you guys, but ian, you're misquoting me. i never said "career suicide" i just said, "a bad way to compliment a career". &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;by this i mean it would be less helpful than the alternative of simply commenting when I LIKE something. this whole having a career making indie theatre thing is extremely tenuous and difficult. if you're burning bridges faster than building them, things just get that much harder. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;look at it through the other side of the looking glass:  how much goodwill has praxis generated through this very blog by being perceived as outward looking and an asset to the community? the reverse would be true with an individual who was perceived as providing commentary that was perceived as critical.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i know the response to this, "people have to be thicker skinned and accept all kinds of feedback in an effort to improve".  i'm not sure if i wanna be the guy that helps folks come around that way.  i may leave it to academics and marketing gurus....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look, i totally agree with you guys, but ian, you&#8217;re misquoting me. i never said &#8220;career suicide&#8221; i just said, &#8220;a bad way to compliment a career&#8221;. </p>
<p>by this i mean it would be less helpful than the alternative of simply commenting when I LIKE something. this whole having a career making indie theatre thing is extremely tenuous and difficult. if you&#8217;re burning bridges faster than building them, things just get that much harder. </p>
<p>look at it through the other side of the looking glass:  how much goodwill has praxis generated through this very blog by being perceived as outward looking and an asset to the community? the reverse would be true with an individual who was perceived as providing commentary that was perceived as critical.  </p>
<p>i know the response to this, &#8220;people have to be thicker skinned and accept all kinds of feedback in an effort to improve&#8221;.  i&#8217;m not sure if i wanna be the guy that helps folks come around that way.  i may leave it to academics and marketing gurus&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Mackenzie</title>
		<link>http://theatreisterritory.com/2008/04/mike-daisey-on-theatrical-discourse/comment-page-1/#comment-593</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Is it really doing your peers a favor to fail to challenge them to live up to their potential?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No. We should all be challenging each other. It's vital. The trick is in figuring out how.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Our community has been living under the tyranny of the mainstream media review system for so long, we have forgotten how to criticize each other. It's criticism by proxy: "I can't risk standing up and calling bullshit on a peer because it'll hurt my career. So I'll just wait until the newspapers cut them down."&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is this our model? How is our industry supposed to prosper under conditions that forbid peer review? It's insane!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It doesn't mean we should be "reviewing" each other's work. That's probably a bad idea. Many critics already do a fine job of that. But surely there's a way to talk openly and critically about each other's work without it being the career suicide Mike has suggested it is.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe instead of "How's my driving?" bumper stickers, we could have, "How's my acting?" or "How's my directing?" bumper stickers (on our bicycles).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;--&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BTW.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think blogging has a role in the democratization of media, and represents a partial re-calibrating of, and counterpoint to, the review system. It's a new opportunity, at the very least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Is it really doing your peers a favor to fail to challenge them to live up to their potential?</b></p>
<p>No. We should all be challenging each other. It&#8217;s vital. The trick is in figuring out how.</p>
<p>Our community has been living under the tyranny of the mainstream media review system for so long, we have forgotten how to criticize each other. It&#8217;s criticism by proxy: &#8220;I can&#8217;t risk standing up and calling bullshit on a peer because it&#8217;ll hurt my career. So I&#8217;ll just wait until the newspapers cut them down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this our model? How is our industry supposed to prosper under conditions that forbid peer review? It&#8217;s insane!</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean we should be &#8220;reviewing&#8221; each other&#8217;s work. That&#8217;s probably a bad idea. Many critics already do a fine job of that. But surely there&#8217;s a way to talk openly and critically about each other&#8217;s work without it being the career suicide Mike has suggested it is.</p>
<p>Maybe instead of &#8220;How&#8217;s my driving?&#8221; bumper stickers, we could have, &#8220;How&#8217;s my acting?&#8221; or &#8220;How&#8217;s my directing?&#8221; bumper stickers (on our bicycles).</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>BTW.</p>
<p>I think blogging has a role in the democratization of media, and represents a partial re-calibrating of, and counterpoint to, the review system. It&#8217;s a new opportunity, at the very least.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Walters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, let me ask this: is it really doing your peers a favor to fail to challenge them to live up to their potential? Does a failure to acknowledge that not everything is perfect create an artistic Lake Wobegone where everyone is above average?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, let me ask this: is it really doing your peers a favor to fail to challenge them to live up to their potential? Does a failure to acknowledge that not everything is perfect create an artistic Lake Wobegone where everyone is above average?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Walters</title>
		<link>http://theatreisterritory.com/2008/04/mike-daisey-on-theatrical-discourse/comment-page-1/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know where you live...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know where you live&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think it was a matter of time before we got to this point.   &lt;br/&gt;the major problem here is that offending (intentionally or not) your peers is a bad way to compliment a career.  this is why i'm way more likely to disagree on the blog with scott walters an academic in another country, than a fellow toronto-based artist.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;i guess posting anonymously is one way around this, but i would also like to speak with my own voice.  it's tricky. it makes it possible to discuss issues and ideas, but not perhaps specific artists or productions...that and i don't want scott's theatre police to work me over again, those guys are lethal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think it was a matter of time before we got to this point.   <br />the major problem here is that offending (intentionally or not) your peers is a bad way to compliment a career.  this is why i&#8217;m way more likely to disagree on the blog with scott walters an academic in another country, than a fellow toronto-based artist.  </p>
<p>i guess posting anonymously is one way around this, but i would also like to speak with my own voice.  it&#8217;s tricky. it makes it possible to discuss issues and ideas, but not perhaps specific artists or productions&#8230;that and i don&#8217;t want scott&#8217;s theatre police to work me over again, those guys are lethal.</p>
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